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While you watched UFC’s TUF Finale, Dana White was fighting with Bloodstain Lane on Twitter
By Zach Arnold | June 5, 2011
Results from last night’s Ultimate Fighter 13 Finale from The Pearl at The Palms (featuring another dead crowd for an MMA event):
Dark matches
- Bantamweights: Reuben Duran defeated Francisco Rivera in R3 in 1’57 with a choke sleeper hold.
- Welterweights: Clay Harvison defeated Justin Edwards after 3R by split decision.
- Welterweights: Shamar Bailey defeated Ryan McGilivray after 3R by unanimous decision.
- Bantamweights: Scott Jorgensen defeated Ken Stone in R1 in 4’01 by KO.
- Featherweights: George Roop obliterated Josh Grispi in R3 in 3’14 by KO.
- Lightweights: Jeremy Stephens defeated Danny Downes after 3R by unanimous decision.
Main card
- Welterweights: Chris Cope defeated Chuck O’Neil after 3R by unanimous decision.
- Light Heavyweights: Kyle Kingsbury defeated Fabio Maldonado after 3R by unanimous decision.
- Middleweights: Ed Herman defeated Tim Credeur in R1 in 48 seconds by TKO.
- Lightweights: Clay Guida defeated Anthony Pettis after 3R by unanimous decision. Pettis loses his #1 contendership slot in the Lightweight division.
- Welterweights: Tony Ferguson defeated Ramsey Nijem in R1 in 3’54 by KO.
The reason for the title of this post
For those of you who followed the show’s proceedings last night on Twitter, you were treated to quite a spectacle. If you want the long version of the story, go on Twitter and look for yourself. I’ll give you the short version here. Bloodstain Lane, a colorful character & MMA fan, managed to get Dana White (and agent Malki Kawa and even Frank Mir) engaged in a Twitter war. Dana claims that Malki punk’d Bloodstain and that he somehow has video evidence of this. Mir proceeded to get into it with Bloodstain as well, while Dana said he can’t wait to meet up with Bloodstain so that Bloodstain can ‘slap him.’ Bloodstain said that he would show up for UFC’s event this August in Philadelphia.
danawhite @BloodstainLane don’t make excuses now! When u see me come slap me. I look forward to it!
@BloodstainLane deal, when you see me come slap me.
@BloodstainLane we r busy 2 nite u
fuckinloser! Its coming and I am SO excited 2 meet u and get “the slap” see u soon geek!@BloodstainLane I will buy u a ticket and room to vegas or vancouver and u can meet me and slap me! U in?
Now, mind you, Dana is engaging in a Twitter war with this guy during the main fights that aired on Spike last night. That’s right, Dana White is fighting with this guy on Twitter during the Clay Guida/Anthony Pettis and Ramsey Nijem/Tony Ferguson fights. If you have the show recorded, watch the end of the Ferguson/Nijem fight. After Nijem has the towel on his face and is rushed out of the cage, Ferguson gets his hand raised by the referee for the victory announcement. Dana White rushes into the cage at the very last-second to haphazardly hand over the glass trophy (if you want to call it that) to Ferguson.
If you want to read the fallout, you can go to their respective Twitter accounts and view the protracted flame war.
Between Dana’s Twitter war, Clay Guida dethroning Anthony Pettis and Pettis losing his #1 contendership, and Tony Ferguson taking care of business… it was quite an eventful night. Dana says that Jim Miller is ahead of Guida on the UFC Lightweight pecking order.
George Roop’s three rounds of brutality on Josh Grispi was ultra-impressive. Roop put The Korean Zombie to sleep and now he has destroyed the former WEC golden child prospect.
Scott Jorgensen’s KO of Ken Stone from top position in the guard was exactly what you wanted to see if you are a supporter of his. Excellent.
Closing thought
I am definitely interested in seeing the Shane Carwin/Junior dos Santos fight. However, I had to do a double-take when I saw the main card listed on the television screen for UFC 131. Seeing names like Diego Nunes, Vagner Rocha, and Jon Olav Einemo as main card fighters was quite unusual. I don’t know how well this card will draw on PPV, but I suspect the Vancouver fans will be in a very joyous mood. (The Canucks are up 2-0 on the Bruins and look to be well on their way to winning the Stanley Cup.)
Oh, and I can’t get those “CougarLife” commercials that aired on Spike TV during the TUF finale out of my mind.
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Go get ’em Bloodstain!
Bloodstain will punk out.
Every time he has met one of the people he criticizes face-to-face, he backs down. ‘Bloodstain’ is just a character he plays to appeal to a certain segment of MMA fans.
Anyone watch the Froch v Johnson fight last night. Good fight and the Froch v Ward Super Six Final should be a cracker!!
that was an awesome fight. Going from that to Guida v Pettis was like going from a Lexus to a Datsun.
It’s funny, UFC hates it when guys lose out on a title fight due to injury, and Dana always gives the “You have to keep fighting” line, I think this solidifies that nobody is ever going to fight while #1 contender ever again. If they’re going to do that, Clay Guida isn’t the caliber of fighter safe to fight against. Thiago Silva/Rashad Evans is more like that kind of fight that’s safer. I wouldn’t mind seeing Guida get the next shot.
As for Dana’s Twitter war. I am now convinced he is a real life version of that Tom Hanks movie “Big”, where he is a young teen living inside the body of a 40 year old man. Grow up, dude.
“Dana claims that Malki punk’d Bloodstain and that he somehow has video evidence of this”
About a month ago, Bloodstain got in a similar tweet-war with Malki and Malki arranged for them to roll and settle it. Malki took two out of three. Lane supposedly looked OK early but his fat ass gassed HARD and he was a fish by the third roll.
Regardless, it pains me to see Dana giving that guy free publicity. His whole ‘Bloodstain Lane’ character is an act, and Dana just gave him a huge stage on which to play. Rest assured though, if Lane takes Dana up on his offer and meets him in Philly, he will break character and kiss Dana’s ass profusely.
It’s quite sad to see someone given a “win” in a “fight” by laying on top of their opponent and doing basically no damage.
Guida is absolutely a wet blanket. But it’s even worse for a high level MMA fighter to have no clue how to get out of that position.
He shouldn’t really need to get out of it, if the guy is simply holding him there. Pettis was threatening with subs and striking from the bottom, which was more than Guida did.
As much as people like to pretend this is some hybrid sport – a crazy amalgamation of wrestling, BJJ and kickboxing – it’s not. It’s a fight. A takedown followed by top control is USELESS for winning a fight. If that happened on the street what would Guida eventually do? Lay on him all night until he fell asleep? Takedowns only serve as a precursor to other techniques which can actually damage or threaten their opponent.
The real problem is judging, where people feel it is essential to pick an “automatic” winner, even if nobody has done enough to win.
Fans hate draws, even if they are justified. Too many draws would kill the sport. So the need to pick an “automatic” winner is required in order for the sport to survive at it’s current level of popularity.
Takedowns and top control show dominance. It takes a really elite guard and average top game to have a guy from the bottom winning.
By both wrestling and BJJ standards, Guida was the superior grappler. So it’s funny when fans try to act like Pettis was somehow winning from the bottom. Even in the purest senses of grappling, Guida was winning.
I also feel like hardcore fans put far too much emphasis on submission attempts. Unless the fighter is really struggling to get out, a submission attempt is absolutely meaningless. It’s the most overrated techniques in MMA today.
I get your point, but I don\’t think draws would happen enough to seriously hurt the sport. Lay and pray fights which are effectively draws also hurt the sport, and probably do so a lot more. If people are to take fighting seriously as a sport, we need to be willing to let draws happen if they\’re justified. Soccer is the biggest sport in the world and 0-0 draws are commonplace.
Guida was definitely the superior grappler, but this is a fight, not a grappling contest. We don\’t need to start scoring ineffective grappling just because a lot of grapplers transition to MMA.
We can\’t expect fighters to stay away from pointless, dull techniques if we\’re going to reward them for doing them. If we stop scoring top control and greatly reduce the score for a takedown, then Guida will have to change his tactics. We\’d see a lot more submission attempts and effective ground and pound.
We also need to stop treating all \”10-9 rounds\” as equal, since they\’re not. You get the same score by laying on someone doing no damage for three rounds, as you get for landing GnP and going for subs. If that\’s the case there\’s little incentive for fighters to put in the effort.
He’s the problem…. Is that you are only recognizing 1 half of the equation.
We both agree that Clay Guida did very little in that fight. On a scale of 1 to 10, he was probably a 3.
However, just like in playing poker, it’s not just what you have, but what your opponent has.
If Guida was a 3 out of 10, then Pettis was a 1 or 2 out of 10…. And he still loses.
And like I said above, going for submissions means nothing. It has to be close to mean anything. Getting in a lose guillotine that has zero chance of submitting your opponent is about as meaningful as through a high kick that gets blocked by your opponent.
The Pearl is a naturally quiet venue. Outside of certain moments of excitement, you can typically hear a pin drop across the “arena”.
Quite possibly the best place in the world to see a fight though.
“…Diego Nunes, Vagner Rocha, and Jon Olav Einemo …”
Who are those people?
What’s a bloodstain lane?
(Sounds disgusting. Hopefully it has nothing to do with wearing panties.)
Whats twitter?!
Nunes is a top 5 Featherweight according to most sites rankings and this is the first time a really good Lightweight is dropping down and fighting a top 5 Featherweight.
Jon Olav Einemo was the top ranked European BJJ guy for a while and currently trains at Golden Glory, so his Muai Thai will have improved most likely and it’s not like the UFC/MMA is loaded with great Heavyweights.
Bloodstain’s twitter beef with Dana was more entertaining than the show sounded. I’ve missed the past two UFC events and plan on missing the next UFC event as well, I feel nothing about it, just indifference.
Guida\’s a great guy, but I cant get behind a fighter who does little to no damage over 15 minutes. Pettis worked harder to finish the fight, decent card over all. Froch vs johnson was way better, Ward will beat him but it\’ll be a fight. The HBO card was good too, I didn\’t like the chavez decision though, that said Sergio Martinez would destroy either guy. Mikey Garcia\’s a bad ass but not ready for Gamboa but would do well against Soliz or Juan Ma. As for
bloodstain lane\’s got more mileage out of his bush league online persona then anybody has any right too. The fact that major players seem to be humouring this clown does not speak well for those involved.
Bloodstain Lane only wants to talk
shitto Dana just to be famousHow exactly does a takedown show more dominance than a submission attempt?
Both do zero damage (unless the takedown is a 1 in a 1000 slam that does damage).
1) The submission attempts have to be legit ones. Pettis had about a half of a real submission attempt, which was the arm bar attempt at the end of the 2nd round.
2) A takedown absolutely shows a dominant position. And it’s really what it led to in that fight. Having your opponent on his back for 3 to 4 minutes is significant.
From the ABC website:
“Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active, threatening guard.
Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider are countering a grappler’s attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking; taking down an opponent to force a ground fight; creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve mount, and creating striking opportunities.”
The rules of MMA discuss only a “threatening submission” but don’t specify at what point a submission can be considered “threatening.” A threatening guard and threatening submission attempts are considered point-garnering techniques.
I’m all for scoring QUALITY submission attempts, but you can’t score it every time a guy makes a half-assed attempt at a triangle or armbar that gets immediately shut down. IMO, a submission should only be scored if it is a legit ‘catch’ or if it results in an improvement in position. 90% of the submission attempts that people clamor about aren’t threatening at all. More often than not, they shrugged off almost immediately and with no change in position.
In the Pettis-Guida fight, Pettis had one legit catch (the armbar), two or three submission attempts that improved his position, and about a dozen submission attempts that Guida immediately shucked off. IMO, the ‘catch’ should be scored the same as a knockdown or a big slam, the positional improvements are already counted in the grappling criteria, and the rest of his attempts were as meaningless as a whiffed punch or a stuffed takedown.
Having your opponent on his back for 3 or 3000 minutes is irrelevant if you’re not going to hit them. You can’t cuddle someone unconscious.
Does it show grappling dominance? Yes, but this ain’t grappling. The person who shows the most grappling skill shouldn’t get the win. The person who wins the fight should get the win. Guida did not hurt Pettis and that fight was pretty much a draw.
“How exactly does a takedown show more dominance than a submission attempt?”
Because a takedown is a successful execution of technique, while a submission attempts that fails to result in a tap out is not.
Actually if you bothered to know (or read, as I posted above) the unified rules of MMA you would know that that is an incorrect statement.
A “threatening submission” is a point-garnering technique. A submission attempt not being “sucessful” doesnt mean it isnt worth anything.
Nice job moving the goalposts.
I agree that if a submission is a legitimate catch that threatens to end the fight, it is definitely worth more than a garden variety takedown. It should be scored the same as a knockdown or a big slam.
But your original statement said nothing about a ‘threatening’ submission. It just said submission, and the vast majority of submission attempts are the type that get shucked off immediately with either no change in position or a LOSS of position.
Pettis has one borderline threating submission the entire fight. That was the last 20 or so second of the 2nd round.
And then he had back control for about 30 seconds in the last round.
Besides that he did absolutely nothing for the entire fight.
He did so little that Guida, who was very inactive….. Did much more then he did.
I was not saying anything about the pettis-Guida fight, I was just expressing my opinion and clarifying the rules of MMA.
Well your comment “Because a takedown is a successful execution of technique, while a submission attempts that fails to result in a tap out is not” clearly does not show an understanding that a submission attempt can count for points, regardless of how I posed my question.
I’m not even commenting on the Pettis fight…I’m just pointing out that there is a clear bias towards takedowns vs. submissions and active guard. I’m not some BJJ fanboy, I just think lay and pray “victories” are hollow, at best and these types of takedowns are far from threatenin/damage-causing techniques, comparable to weak submission attempts.
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why is this a story?
So what he was on twitter during fights, wow this is the kind of shit mma sites have come to doing?
Dana on twitter during fights, wow, what a fucking retarded story.
@ 131,
Munoz/Maiea is halfway interesting.
Not a fan of either but its an intriguing combination.
I’m glad to see PeeWee in the UFC now. I’m so happy that they got him (what took so long?)and excited to see his debut against whoever they put in front of him.
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